Low-precision pretraining is usually judged by validation loss. We ask whether matching loss also means learning rare facts as efficiently. We train transformers from scratch with emulated 4-bit matrix multiplications on synthetic biographies with controlled exposure counts, on their own and mixed into web text. NVFP4 needs 1.32$\times$ and 1.52$\times$ as many exposures as BF16 to match its recall while validation loss differs by only 0.5% and 2%, and 1.26$\times$ and 1.30$\times$ when both models are evaluated with BF16 matrix multiplications. Under our primary readout, the exposure cost is about 1.2$\times$ at matched loss. Zero-mean gradient noise reproduces the cost of quantizing only the backward pass, which barely moves the loss. In a controlled experiment at twice the NVFP4 error, noise fed only to Adam's second-moment estimate acts like a lower learning rate and its cost fades, whereas noise in the update lowers its signal-to-noise ratio and carries about two thirds of the cost through the end of training. Raising the learning rate to offset the smaller average step does not recover the cost, either for this noise or for NVFP4. Gradient statistics of BF16 checkpoints rank the costs of formats, partial quantizations and noise controls without fitting (Spearman 0.96). We suggest measuring rare-fact acquisition alongside loss when evaluating low-precision recipes.
Reinforcement learning is now the mainstream paradigm for training LLMs on agentic tasks, yet standard practice keeps only the best-validation checkpoint and discards the rest. We show that this is lossy: in GRPO training of LLM agents, the best-validation checkpoint fails on problems that earlier checkpoints from the same run had already solved, and the union of problems solved across checkpoints far exceeds any single one. The discarded checkpoints thus form a teacher pool obtained at no additional training cost, which on-policy distillation (OPD) can mine to recover the lost coverage. Mining this pool raises two challenges: i) which checkpoint to distill from, as no checkpoint dominates the others and complementarity to the student is problem-specific; ii) where to trust it, as even a well-chosen teacher is only locally superior, so indiscriminate distillation overwrites behavior the student has already mastered. We propose Agentic-OPD, which treats the best-validation checkpoint as the student and all saved checkpoints as frozen teacher candidates, using the student's evolving capability gaps to guide both teacher selection and supervision filtering: the HCN policy (Highest Coverage Next) dynamically selects teachers by weighted coverage of the student's unsolved problems, while the LAD module (Locality-Aware Distillation) confines transfer to failed student rollouts on problems where the teacher performs better. Across five agentic task domains and 24 benchmarks and task subsets, Agentic-OPD improves over its initialization checkpoint by up to 7.4 points, with a 4B student surpassing the latest frontier models GPT-5.6 and DeepSeek-V4.1 on deep search. Agentic-OPD recasts a finished RL run as a reusable pool of policies and establishes post-RL capability recovery as a stage orthogonal to improvements in the RL algorithm itself.
Wei Geng, Hyerin Kim, Chang Lu, Zhenghao Lu, Joerg Ott
原文摘要
An edge video analytics system must estimate the quality of local detections since there are no ground-truth labels available during runtime. Detectors usually provide confidence scores for their results, but these scores can not reveal every missed object or misplaced bounding box. So a quality estimator is necessary to provide a decision signal indicating which frame has potential detection failures that need to be escalated to a more powerful model in the cloud. Neural network based estimators add workload to the GPU already running detection, while CPU capacity may remain available. We present Predictive Temporal Consistency IoU (PTC-IoU), which moves this workload to CPU by compacting detection boxes histories to support deterministic result scoring. Comparing to neural counterparts, experiments on representative edge hardware, Nvidia Jetson Orin Nano, show that our method reduced per-frame estimator latency from 10.3 ms for neural counterparts to 2.2 ms (4.7x faster), increased pipelined throughput by 13.6%, and cuts estimator energy consumption by up to 95%, while maintaining competitive final detection quality verified on multiple datasets.