Catherine Li, Jingchu Gai, Andrej Risteski, Jacob Mitchell Springer, Aditi Raghunathan
Muon has recently emerged as a promising optimizer for pretraining large language models, offering a speedup over AdamW in minimizing pretraining loss. However, it remains unclear whether Muon's advantage persists after fine-tuning. In this paper, we study the downstream behavior of Muon and AdamW and uncover a surprising trend: beyond a sufficiently large pretraining data budget, AdamW outperforms Muon after fine-tuning. Moreover, as model size increases, AdamW overtakes Muon at progressively smaller pretraining token-parameter ratios. To explain this reversal, we view fine-tuning as a perturbation of the outputs and introduce the margin-to-spread ratio, which measures how far the correct logit lies above the wrong ones relative to how widely the wrong logits are spread. In language models, Muon has the larger margin-to-spread ratio at small data budgets and AdamW at large ones, mirroring the fine-tuning trend. In a linear associative memory, we prove that after one update the margin-to-spread ratio of gradient descent gains on that of Muon as the data budget grows, and simulations show that this trend persists after extended training.
Jacob Mitchell Springer, Madhu Advani, Lukas Aichberger, Arwen Bradley, Eran Malach, Omid Saremi, Sinead Williamson, Preetum Nakkiran 等 10 位作者
AI 速览：作者提出 annotation-anchored training，通过在预训练与后训练中保留语义标注分布，缓解监督微调导致的语义模式坍缩并提升多样性。
Post-training (via supervised fine-tuning) improves instruction-following, but often induces semantic mode collapse by biasing models toward low-entropy fine-tuning data at the expense of the high-entropy pretraining distribution. Crucially, we find this trade-off worsens with scale. To close this semantic diversity gap, we propose annotation-anchored training, a principled method that enables models to adopt the preference-following behaviors of post-training without sacrificing the inherent diversity of pretraining. Our approach is simple: we pretrain on documents paired with semantic annotations, inducing a rich annotation distribution that reflects the full breadth of pretraining data, and we preserve this distribution during post-training. This lets us sample diverse annotations at inference time and use them as anchors to guide generation, effectively transferring pretraining's semantic richness into post-trained models. We find that models trained with annotation-anchored training can attain $6 \times$ less diversity collapse than models trained with SFT, and improve with scale.