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The Endgame of FSDP Communication: Layout-Aware Collectives on Copy Engines, RDMA, and NVSwitch

Zejian Wang, Yifan Zhao, Kaihui Ren, Xiaoling Zhou, Yubin Wang, Chenhao Guan, Lin Zhang, Yufeng Li 等 14 位作者

Fully Sharded Data Parallelism (FSDP2) maintains parameters and gradients as per-parameter tensors, whereas its collective path operates on flat, rank-major buffers. Converting between these layouts copies all-gather outputs into parameter storage and packs gradients into full-group fp32 buffers. Layout conversion alone accounts for 6.4% of step time in Llama-3.1 70B training at 8K tokens per GPU. Communication kernels impose a second cost: a default NCCL reduce-scatter can slow a concurrent GEMM that would otherwise complete in a single wave by 69%. We present TIDE, a set of zero-copy collectives built on public NCCL 2.31+ APIs. TIDE preserves FSDP2's per-parameter storage and compute kernels while folding layout placement into collective addressing. TIDE-AG delivers shards directly to parameter storage using NVSwitch multicast and paced recursive-doubling RDMA, with no SMs used for transport or placement. TIDE-RS consumes per-parameter bf16 gradients directly and reduces them into fp32 shards (a mixed-precision mode that NCCL does not provide) using copy engines and short-lived thread blocks (CTAs) for node-local accumulation and NVSwitch for cross-node reduction. A two-phase pipeline separates gradient reads from network progress; Slot-Reuse optionally stages gradients in vacated all-gather slots. On 64 GPUs, TIDE reduces step time by up to 27.1% relative to Stock FSDP2 and 6.0% relative to FSDP2+SymmMem across Llama-3.1 70B, Wan2.2, and Qwen3-30B-A3B. It reduces reduce-scatter SM time by factors of 12.5-14.5 and cuts interference with concurrent compute by up to an order of magnitude. Its reduce-scatter buffer remains nearly constant from 16 to 64 GPUs at a fixed per-GPU output size, and its peak memory is up to 4.7 GiB below FSDP2+SymmMem's and, with Slot-Reuse on Wan2.2, below Stock FSDP2's.

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新论文 · v1arXiv:2610.35989

Layerwise Repacking: Variable-Length Hybrid-Attention Training without an Extra Redistribution Pass

Jiahao Zhang, Junwei Feng, Dongliang Huang, Xiaoling Zhou, Yiqiao Liao, Chengru Song

Variable-length training creates conflicting parallelism requirements across the layers of a hybrid-attention model. The longest samples require wide sequence-parallel (SP) groups of 16 or 32 ranks for full attention, whose cost grows quadratically with sequence length. Sparse-attention layers, dominated by near-linear MoE work, can instead balance most evaluated workloads within node-local SP8 groups. Reusing the wide groups for these layers pushes their all-to-all communication across nodes, where the observed effective rate is 7.0x lower. Yet switching to smaller groups changes which ranks own each sample; a separate redistribution at every full-sparse boundary would introduce another data transfer. Layerwise Repacking keeps each SP16/32 parent for full attention and repacks its samples into node-local sparse children at SP{1, 2, 4, 8}, where hidden states persist between full layers. The layout change rides on the two existing full-layer Ulysses sites: at each, one variable-size all-to-all performs both the head exchange and the sample repacking, so no redistribution pass is added. Because the balance the children can reach depends on which samples share a parent, an auxiliary parent solver rebalances parent membership before the children are formed. On all 22 steps with SP16/32 parents among the first 200 training steps of a 1F3S hybrid-attention model (one full-attention layer per three sparse-attention layers), repacking alone reduces the mean end-to-end time by 5.95% and raises model FLOPs utilization (MFU) by 3.75 percentage points over the baseline with repacking disabled; with the improved solver, end-to-end time falls by 7.61% and MFU rises by 4.83 percentage points.

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