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Lost in Rounding: bf16 Recurrent State Makes Hybrid Reasoning Models Think Longer
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摘要
Hybrid reasoning models interleave attention with recurrent mixers such as Mamba-2 and Gated DeltaNet, whose state is cached between decoding steps. Prior work showed that storing this state in FP16 or INT8 with round-to-nearest (RTN) makes Mamba-2 and GDN hybrids more verbose, and that stochastic rounding (SR) fixes it. We study the other 16-bit format that serving engines expose, bf16, on six open hybrid reasoning models and 590 competition-math problems. With bf16 RTN state, five of six models reason longer (geometric-mean length 1.07x to 1.27x; also under greedy decoding in the two models tested) and hit the 32K token cap more often. On Qwen3.5-9B, cap hits rise from 118 to 223 and accuracy falls from 85.6% to 70.8%. On LiveCodeBench, both models tested also reason longer and lose 12.6 and 13.4 points of pass@1. Rerunning the capped items with a 128K budget halves the accuracy gap but does not close it (93.6% vs. 86.6%): bf16 runs that never finish are twice as common, and 85% of them are exact repetition loops. On Nemotron-Nano-9B-v2, by contrast, 30 of 31 extra caps finish at 128K, so the cost there is mostly extra tokens (exploratory). Same-width bf16 SR removes the length increase in four of five affected models, restores Qwen3.5-9B to 87.6% and brings code length and pass@1 near FP32 levels, so the failure is mostly rounding bias, not missing resolution. With an integer-hash random generator, SR on Qwen3.5-9B matches FP32 on cap hits and accuracy (113 vs. 118; 85.6% for both) at the memory and decoding speed of bf16 RTN. In the Nemotron-Nano-v2 lineage, SR on 25% of heads (an intermediate-decay band) removes the effect, while random heads and the top teacher-forced-KL octiles do not; in Nemotron-3 and Qwen3.5-9B the effect is spread across heads. We recommend that evaluations of hybrid models report the state dtype, cap rate and output length alongside accuracy.
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Lost in Rounding: bf16 Recurrent State Makes Hybrid Reasoning Models Think Longer
Hybrid reasoning models interleave attention with recurrent mixers such as Mamba-2 and Gated DeltaNet, whose state is cached between decoding steps. Prior work showed that storing this state in FP16 or INT8 with round-to-nearest (RTN) makes Mamba-2 and GDN hybrids more verbose, and that stochastic rounding (SR) fixes it. We study the other 16-bit format that serving engines expose, bf16, on six open hybrid reasoning models and 590 competition-math problems. With bf16 RTN state, five of six models reason longer (geometric-mean length 1.07x to 1.27x; also under greedy decoding in the two models tested) and hit the 32K token cap more often. On Qwen3.5-9B, cap hits rise from 118 to 223 and accuracy falls from 85.6% to 70.8%. On LiveCodeBench, both models tested also reason longer and lose 12.6 and 13.4 points of pass@1. Rerunning the capped items with a 128K budget halves the accuracy gap but does not close it (93.6% vs. 86.6%): bf16 runs that never finish are twice as common, and 85% of them are exact repetition loops. On Nemotron-Nano-9B-v2, by contrast, 30 of 31 extra caps finish at 128K, so the cost there is mostly extra tokens (exploratory). Same-width bf16 SR removes the length increase in four of five affected models, restores Qwen3.5-9B to 87.6% and brings code length and pass@1 near FP32 levels, so the failure is mostly rounding bias, not missing resolution. With an integer-hash random generator, SR on Qwen3.5-9B matches FP32 on cap hits and accuracy (113 vs. 118; 85.6% for both) at the memory and decoding speed of bf16 RTN. In the Nemotron-Nano-v2 lineage, SR on 25% of heads (an intermediate-decay band) removes the effect, while random heads and the top teacher-forced-KL octiles do not; in Nemotron-3 and Qwen3.5-9B the effect is spread across heads. We recommend that evaluations of hybrid models report the state dtype, cap rate and output length alongside accuracy.
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